Discussion:Is this SPAM or a Copyright Violation?
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| 22 October 2008 | |
| {the following is copied from another thread posted by Lance Wallach}
419 Insurance Welfare Benefit Plans Continue To Get Accountants Into Trouble By Lance Wallach Popular so-called “419 Insurance Welfare Benefit Plans”, sold by most insurance professionals, are getting accountants and their clients into more and more trouble. A CPA who is approached by a client about one of the abusive arrangements and/or situations to be described and discussed in this article must exercise the utmost degree of caution, not only on behalf of the client, but for his/her own good as well. The penalties noted in this article can also be applied to practitioners who prepare and/or sign returns that fail to properly disclose listed transactions, including those discussed herein. On October 17, 2007, the IRS issued Notice 2007-83, Notice 2007-84, and Revenue Ruling 2007-65. Notice 2007-83 essentially lists the characteristics of welfare benefit plans that the Service regards as listed transactions. Put simply, to be a listed transaction, a plan cannot rely on the union exception set forth in IRC Section 419A(f)(5),there must be cash value life insurance within the plan and excessive tax deductions for life insurance, in excess of what may be permitted by Sections 419 and 419A, must have been claimed. In Notice 2007-84, the Service expressed concern with plans that provide all or a substantial portion of benefits to owners and/or key and highly compensated employees. The notice identified numerous specific concerns, among them: 1. The granting of loans to participants 2. Providing deferred compensation 3. Plan terminations that result in the distribution of assets rather than being used post-retirement, as originally established. 4. Permitting the transfer of life insurance policies to participants. + Alternative tax treatment may well be in the offing for such arrangements, as the IRS intends to re-characterize such arrangements as dividends, non-qualified deferred compensation (under IRC Section 404(a)(5) or Section 409A), split-dollar life insurance arrangements, or disqualified benefits pursuant to Section 4976. Taxpayers participating in these listed transactions should have, in most cases, already disclosed such participation to the Service. Those who have not should do so at the earliest possible moment. Failure to disclose can result in severe penalties – up to $100,000 for individuals and $200,000 for corporations. Finally, Revenue Ruling 2007-65 focused on situations where cash value life insurance is purchased on owner employees and other key employees, while only term insurance is offered to the rank and file. These are sold as 419(e), 419A (f)(6), and 419 plans. Life insurance premiums are not inherently tax deductible and authority must be found in Section 79 to justify such a deduction. Section 264(a), in fact, specifically disallows tax deductions for life insurance, at least in some cases. And moreover, the Service declared, interposition of a trust does not change the nature of the transaction. Lance Wallach, CLU, ChFC, CIMC, speaks and writes extensively about financial planning, retirement plans, and tax reduction strategies. He speaks at more than 70 national conventions annually and writes for more than 50 national publications. For more information and additional articles on these subjects, visit www.vebaplan.com or call 516-938-5007. The information provided herein is not intended as legal, accounting, financial or any other type of advice for any specific individual or other entity. You should contact an appropriate professional for any such advice. | |
| 22 October 2008 | |
| my concerns are:
1) even though Lance is the author, how do we know that the publication has given permission for this to be posted on TA? 2) The terms of use of TA state that we should not include contact info in the posts (as this appears to be advertising/commercial/spam). | |
| 22 October 2008 | |
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| 22 October 2008 | |
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RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 22 October 2008 |
| Spam..spam..and more spam...
Maybe best fried. | |
| October 22, 2008 | |
| If that was included in a discussion thread, yes, I agree it is SPAM. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 22 October 2008 |
| Call it Self-promotional Spam. I recall Lance spoke at a seminar when I lived near Albany and gave essentially the same talk. He holds himself out as the VEBA expert, and probably is judging from what I read from the materials given out.
Next we will grant equal time to JK Harris. | |
| 22 October 2008 | |
| Q: Have you got anything without spam?
A: Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Tom | |
| 22 October 2008 | |
| DT I'll be speaking in Albany this Sat and Sunday at the NYSEA conference. Will you be there? (endless self-promotion, I know, but hey, this thread is about SPAM so a little more won't hurt). | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 22 October 2008 |
| No, I don't live up there anymore. Loved the area when I did. When I lived there I found that the update seminars always came too early for me to remember anything come tax season. | |
| 11 December 2008 | |
| I'm helping my company form a VEBA, but we cannot seem to find a definite answer on whether or not the contributions will qualify as 501(c)(3), or if the distirubtions will qualify as a taxable event.
Can anyone offer any answers? | |
| 11 December 2008 | |
| Slave, you might want to start that as a new question, PLEASE. | |


